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		<title>By: Lauren Do</title>
		<link>http://www.johnknoxwhite.com/2009/05/28/alameda-point-matarrese-still-in-support/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DL;

You asked earlier about JKW&#039;s reflections on Jean Sweeney&#039;s letter regarding the Development Agreement.   

I took a stab at addressing some of the issues I found with it on these two posts:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/suncal-never-promised-us-a-rose-garden-part-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SunCal never promised us a rose garden, part 1&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/suncal-never-promised-us-a-rose-garden-part-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SunCal never promised us a rose garden, part 2&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DL;</p>
<p>You asked earlier about JKW&#8217;s reflections on Jean Sweeney&#8217;s letter regarding the Development Agreement.   </p>
<p>I took a stab at addressing some of the issues I found with it on these two posts:</p>
<p><a href="http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/suncal-never-promised-us-a-rose-garden-part-1/" rel="nofollow">SunCal never promised us a rose garden, part 1</a><br />
<a href="http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/suncal-never-promised-us-a-rose-garden-part-2/" rel="nofollow">SunCal never promised us a rose garden, part 2</a></p>
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		<title>By: dl morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.johnknoxwhite.com/2009/05/28/alameda-point-matarrese-still-in-support/#comment-992</link>
		<dc:creator>dl morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A printed copy of the Initiative with attachments (all 288 pages) is available for $20.00 at:

Alameda Copy Center
1211 Lincoln (between Sherman and Bay)

510/337-1094

For the online links, see:
http://www.alamedapointcommunity.com/new-neighborhood/

Click on the first link on the right hand side (Alameda Point Revitalization Initiative) and a list of links for each document will appear below.   

The documents vary in length from 10 pages to 150 pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A printed copy of the Initiative with attachments (all 288 pages) is available for $20.00 at:</p>
<p>Alameda Copy Center<br />
1211 Lincoln (between Sherman and Bay)</p>
<p>510/337-1094</p>
<p>For the online links, see:<br />
<a href="http://www.alamedapointcommunity.com/new-neighborhood/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alamedapointcommunity.com/new-neighborhood/</a></p>
<p>Click on the first link on the right hand side (Alameda Point Revitalization Initiative) and a list of links for each document will appear below.   </p>
<p>The documents vary in length from 10 pages to 150 pages.</p>
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		<title>By: dl morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.johnknoxwhite.com/2009/05/28/alameda-point-matarrese-still-in-support/#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>dl morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a more specific link -- see the word &quot;report&quot; in the second line:

http://actionalameda.org/actionalamedanewsblog/2009/05/29/revitalize-alameda-point-suncals-self-granted-city-fee-exemptions-exceed-80-million/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a more specific link &#8212; see the word &#8220;report&#8221; in the second line:</p>
<p><a href="http://actionalameda.org/actionalamedanewsblog/2009/05/29/revitalize-alameda-point-suncals-self-granted-city-fee-exemptions-exceed-80-million/" rel="nofollow">http://actionalameda.org/actionalamedanewsblog/2009/05/29/revitalize-alameda-point-suncals-self-granted-city-fee-exemptions-exceed-80-million/</a></p>
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		<title>By: dl morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.johnknoxwhite.com/2009/05/28/alameda-point-matarrese-still-in-support/#comment-990</link>
		<dc:creator>dl morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JEA:  Yes, what you&#039;re suggesting makes sense and should be possible.  

So far as people being against the iniitiative:  there are many different people, with different political views, including some opposed to Measure A, who are nevertheless opposed to SunCal&#039;s plan because it&#039;s a bad deal for the city.  We need to be looking at the plan, not the people involved -- on either side.

The Executive Summary (Part 1) of the Initiative came out yesterday, and was posted on the Alameda-Point.com site (beneath the link for the Initiative page), tho, it appears that the link isn&#039;t working today.  

Anyway, I think Action Alameda has it, within the first news item as &quot;report&quot;::  
http://www.actionalameda.org/news/news.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JEA:  Yes, what you&#8217;re suggesting makes sense and should be possible.  </p>
<p>So far as people being against the iniitiative:  there are many different people, with different political views, including some opposed to Measure A, who are nevertheless opposed to SunCal&#8217;s plan because it&#8217;s a bad deal for the city.  We need to be looking at the plan, not the people involved &#8212; on either side.</p>
<p>The Executive Summary (Part 1) of the Initiative came out yesterday, and was posted on the Alameda-Point.com site (beneath the link for the Initiative page), tho, it appears that the link isn&#8217;t working today.  </p>
<p>Anyway, I think Action Alameda has it, within the first news item as &#8220;report&#8221;::<br />
<a href="http://www.actionalameda.org/news/news.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.actionalameda.org/news/news.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: J.E.A.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 19:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To M.I.
Although this is off topic from the original post I was wondering if there are any people involved or should I say against the Sun Cal plan that you respect? I read the blogs and they always get down in the dirt with condescending comments. What I would like is a place where I can ask a simple question and then get feed back from both sides (with no BS added)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To M.I.<br />
Although this is off topic from the original post I was wondering if there are any people involved or should I say against the Sun Cal plan that you respect? I read the blogs and they always get down in the dirt with condescending comments. What I would like is a place where I can ask a simple question and then get feed back from both sides (with no BS added)</p>
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		<title>By: M.I.</title>
		<link>http://www.johnknoxwhite.com/2009/05/28/alameda-point-matarrese-still-in-support/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>M.I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DL

Jean&#039;s miracle effort on the Beltline is a case in and of itself, but I don&#039;t think you know how my resume compares to Jean in the arc of the base reuse issue. I have been on board participating in BRAG subcommittees and every process on the Point since then, long before you showed up with your sanctimony.

 And as is well evident I&#039;m willing to make it personal at the drop of that because sometimes that keeps it real when people are pretending to be civil but are on no higher road than anybody else.

I was not identifying all opposed to SunCal as a class, but people like Roberts, Bail et al who talk shit without any factual accountability and never miss a beat. They pigeon hole themselves.

As to my deliberate condescension to Jean with the &quot;sweet old gal&quot; line, she deserves it in that I don&#039;t think her seniority either in age, residence or activism entitles her to getting away with the bullshit she has said about people she disagrees with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DL</p>
<p>Jean&#8217;s miracle effort on the Beltline is a case in and of itself, but I don&#8217;t think you know how my resume compares to Jean in the arc of the base reuse issue. I have been on board participating in BRAG subcommittees and every process on the Point since then, long before you showed up with your sanctimony.</p>
<p> And as is well evident I&#8217;m willing to make it personal at the drop of that because sometimes that keeps it real when people are pretending to be civil but are on no higher road than anybody else.</p>
<p>I was not identifying all opposed to SunCal as a class, but people like Roberts, Bail et al who talk shit without any factual accountability and never miss a beat. They pigeon hole themselves.</p>
<p>As to my deliberate condescension to Jean with the &#8220;sweet old gal&#8221; line, she deserves it in that I don&#8217;t think her seniority either in age, residence or activism entitles her to getting away with the bullshit she has said about people she disagrees with.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Do</title>
		<link>http://www.johnknoxwhite.com/2009/05/28/alameda-point-matarrese-still-in-support/#comment-987</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also used the word  &quot;conspiracy&quot; to talk about &lt;a href=&quot;http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-mif-albright&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mif Albright&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/certified-fresh/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Charter clean-up language&lt;/a&gt;,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/all-schools-all-the-time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Measure H opposition&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/all-schools-all-the-time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the notion that I write the Alameda Daily Noose&lt;/a&gt;, and so on...

But back to the topic of the original post.  The point that was being made by your blog host, JKW, is that the contention that Frank Matarrese no longer supports the SunCal plan and has &quot;seen the light&quot; bolstered by the fact that his endorsement has &quot;disappeared&quot; from his website is erroneous.  Instead of a &quot;mea culpa&quot; folks felt the need to resort to anonymous (and not so anonymous) ad hominem attacks.

That&#039;s my latin quota for the week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also used the word  &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; to talk about <a href="http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-mif-albright" rel="nofollow">Mif Albright</a>, <a href="http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/certified-fresh/" rel="nofollow">Charter clean-up language</a>,  <a href="http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/all-schools-all-the-time" rel="nofollow">Measure H opposition</a>, <a href="http://laurendo.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/all-schools-all-the-time" rel="nofollow">the notion that I write the Alameda Daily Noose</a>, and so on&#8230;</p>
<p>But back to the topic of the original post.  The point that was being made by your blog host, JKW, is that the contention that Frank Matarrese no longer supports the SunCal plan and has &#8220;seen the light&#8221; bolstered by the fact that his endorsement has &#8220;disappeared&#8221; from his website is erroneous.  Instead of a &#8220;mea culpa&#8221; folks felt the need to resort to anonymous (and not so anonymous) ad hominem attacks.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my latin quota for the week.</p>
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		<title>By: laughing</title>
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		<dc:creator>laughing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Gretchen and Diane for sacrificing your good names so the rest of us are not personally attacked and meticulously parsed to death by the likes of John Knox White and his facebook pals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Gretchen and Diane for sacrificing your good names so the rest of us are not personally attacked and meticulously parsed to death by the likes of John Knox White and his facebook pals.</p>
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		<title>By: dl morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>dl morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, then, you convinced me -- let&#039;s make it personal.  That will sure as heck fix everything.  

(I knew that &quot;transit geek&quot; comment would come back to haunt me.  Actually, it was Dave who came up with &quot;transit geek speak&quot; and that seemed to fly, so I thought the transit geek barrier had already been breached, but I guess not.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, then, you convinced me &#8212; let&#8217;s make it personal.  That will sure as heck fix everything.  </p>
<p>(I knew that &#8220;transit geek&#8221; comment would come back to haunt me.  Actually, it was Dave who came up with &#8220;transit geek speak&#8221; and that seemed to fly, so I thought the transit geek barrier had already been breached, but I guess not.)</p>
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		<title>By: AD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you are on the city&#039;s transportation commission, work for TALC, write a column for the newspaper, and a blog too! And you pursue more or less the same goals in all of these venues. These are not separate organizations (TALC, TC, Alameda Journal, Alamedans.com)—they are one and the same because you are involved in all of them! You&#039;ve been outed, John--you are one person pretending to be 4! 

Ridiculous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you are on the city&#8217;s transportation commission, work for TALC, write a column for the newspaper, and a blog too! And you pursue more or less the same goals in all of these venues. These are not separate organizations (TALC, TC, Alameda Journal, Alamedans.com)—they are one and the same because you are involved in all of them! You&#8217;ve been outed, John&#8211;you are one person pretending to be 4! </p>
<p>Ridiculous!</p>
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